Windows, Windows,
Those Leaky, Leaking Windows
by David Pascoe, Marine Surveyor
Leaking windows are inconvenient because they
let the water that is supposed to remain on the outside into places it
shouldn't be. Oh, it's aggravating enough that you might have to try to
sleep on a wet mattress, but that's hardly the least of your problems when
you have a leaky boat. The real kicker is when those leaks cause a lot of
damage, as they are wont to do, that cost you a whole lot of money to
repair, and even more money when you go to sell the boat if you don't.
I just saw a good example of that this
morning when I surveyed a 10 year old Chris Craft that had about
$5,000 worth of interior damage because of just plain lousy design of
the windows that caused leaks that couldn't be fixed. This after the
survey of a 47 foot Albin trawler last week that had an all wood
paneled interior that had about $8,000 worth of water damage, preceded
by a 29 foot Formula with an interior that was completely ruined by
window leaks, for which the cost to repair would have been well over
$10,000. And a week before that I did a 42' sailboat with leaking
chain plates that rotted out the bulkheads that they were attached to,
causing damage worth at least $15,000. So right there in just two
weeks were three boats with water damage estimated at over $38,000,
and that does not include the cost of repairing the leaky windows and
design defects.
Leaky windows are a serious problem
not only because of the costly damage they cause, but also because all too
often the source of the problem are design errors which are costly to
correct, if they can be corrected at all. Leaky windows are a serious
problem because it is such a widespread problem, occurring in top of the
line as well as bottom of the line boats. Leaky windows are a problem
because if you buy a boat that has them, and the problem cannot be
corrected, you are going to take a big bath come time to sell your boat.
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Leaking windows of
this Albin 47 resulted in rotted paneling throughout this yacht.
it's not easy to capture water damage on film, but this shot pretty
well tells the story.
The interior of this boat is completely ruined and
the cost to repair so high that it will never be properly repaired
because the condition destroyed the value of the boat. |

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| Here's the reason
why the interior of the Albin was ruined. The window consists of
nothing more than a piece of glass sandwiched between two pieces of
wood. To make matters worse, the builder used a sealant that dried
hard and brittle which can be seen falling out at point of the black
arrow. |
Design Error
Pay attention to window leaks because the nature of the problem is
likely to be rooted in a serious design error. The correction of window
leaks is rarely, repeat, rarely just a matter of caulking. On nearly half
the boats I survey I find caulking smeared around the window frames, one
of the first signs that all is not well. So why do so many boats have this
problem? It's because designers have the idea that it is okay to hold up
the cabin top and flying bridge with nothing but the window frames.
Unfortunately, that is not okay because the window frames are not strong
enough to hold up the deck, cabin top or flying bridge. So when you take
the boat out to sea, the whole structure rocks and works and twists and
opens up all the seams allowing our number one enemy (water) inside the
boat.
To put it another way, essentially what you have is a
structure like a fold-up card table on wobbly legs. You can caulk the
frames, pull them out and recaulk them, pull out the glass and rebed it,
but every time you take the boat out, the window frames are again
stressed, all the joints break open and the leaking starts all over again.
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Chris Craft 320. This is what I
mean by a house top and flying bridge that is only supported by
window frames. Except for the aft bulkhead, the only thing that
holds up the bridge with seating for eight people, are the window
frames. In this boat, even the galley and head cabinets were rotted
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The problem with window problems
is that they are hard to diagnose. These photos are the outside
views of the Chris Craft interior shown above.
It doesn't look like much is wrong with the window
frames until you realize that they are BENT! as can be seen at
arrows where the frames are away from the house side. |
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These are not your ordinary stress cracks but
cracks caused in the 'glass house sides because there is so much
stress on the window frames.
The extremely small screw was used to fasten
them didn't help much either, all of which just boils down to shoddy
design and construction. |
Motor yachts and Flybridge cruisers
Thousands upon thousands of boats are built this way, and the photos
I've included here barely scratch the surface of illustrating how bad the
problem can be. Motor yachts and flybridge cruisers frequently have
nothing but the window frames holding up whatever structure is above them.
The problem tends to be more pronounced in midsized flybridge cruisers
where there is a lot of weight resting on the window frames, especially
those boats with glass front windshields. The problem tends not to exist
on those fly bridge cruisers or sport fishermen that do not have front
windshields because now the fiberglass front section becomes a stronger
structure that resists lateral movement.
Express Cruiser
Leaky windows are also common place in the express cruiser which has no
superstructure, where instead long, low windows are set into the side of
the foredeck. The next photo shows a Sea Ray with an 8' long window which
essentially holds up the fore deck. Lacking any bulkheads or frames
beneath, all you have to do is jump down onto the foredeck from a high
dock and you will bend and open up the joints in the window frame, and
then the leaking starts. On this particular boat, the owner had caulked
the sliding windows permanently shut and attached plastic coffer dams
under the windows in an effort to keep the water out. Needless to say, it
didn't help much. Beware of cruisers with long windows that hold the deck
up.
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Here's 27' SeaRay with an 8' long window in the side
of the deck. This situation is worse that a house top held up by
window frames because the deck gets walked on, even jumped on.
Most express cruisers have windows like this and nearly
all of them leak. Why is it that they've been building this way for
years without recognising the problem? |
Fixed Windows
Another problem are boats with fixed windows not properly installed, or
installed without proper frames such as the Albin trawler shown at the
top. Here we have large windows that are merely sandwiched between two
wood frames. But it's not just the wood that's the problem; the frames
could just as well be fiberglass, plastic or aluminum. The manner of the
design would fail in any case (because the windows are too large, (2)
because the builder used the wrong kind of caulking - it dried out cracked
and shrunk, (3) the design was entirely wrong and would leak in any case.
Improperly designed side decks
Yet another design faux pas results from improperly
designed side decks. As illustration #1_ shows, if the side deck is not
properly supported, it will sag, and when it sags the house sides sag with
it. At that point you can see that if the house sides sag . . . well, what
are the window frames attached to? Of course, the sagging house sides.
What happens is that every time the hull slams down off a wave, the whole
deck/superstructure flutters so that no amount of caulking or well
designed window frames can prevent the kind of distortions that open up
seams and cause leaking.
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Cross section view of a typical cruiser
showing the forces that act on the boats window frames. If the side
decks don't have adequate support from the underside, the side decks
will flex and open up seams.
Hitting against pilings applies force from another
direction that breaks window seals open. If the only thing holding
up the flybridge are the window frames, this illustration should
make it pretty clear why it will be impossible to prevent leakage. |
The bottom line to this story of leaking windows is that leaking
windows cannot be prevented, and cannot be repaired, unless the overall
structure is properly designed. That includes not just the house structure
and window frames but the decks as well. If the side decks are
cantilevered inboard without adequate support underneath, then the side
decks are going to flex, once again tearing everything open.
Motor Boat
Yet another design faux pas is on a motor boat where there is no house
side structure. In other words, the windows span the entire area between
deck and house top. What's wrong with this? Well, once again there is
inadequate structure to which to attach the frames; the frames are nearly
attached to the deck. If the deck sags in the least bit - say just 1/8" -
then it should be pretty obvious that that there's no way to keep the
working seams sealed.
Sail boats
For sail boats the problems can be just as bad. My favorites are the
port holes that trap water, so that when you open the ports, you and
everything under it gets a bath. But that's the least of the problem.
Inward ports can't trap water that usually results in constant leakage
because sooner or later the caulking or gaskets are going to go bad and
ruin all that nice paneling around them. Or the vinyl or fabric or carpet
or whatever.
Sail boat designers like to save money by not using any window frames
at all, just caulk the old glass or Plexiglas right onto the cabin trunk
and presto, instant el cheapo window. Not to worry because it probably
won't start leaking 'till the warranty expires, after which it's the
owner's unsolvable problem. Especially if, as with our motor boats, the
deck is weak and flexing, resulting in seals that won't seal no matter
what you do. This is even more prevalent with deck hatches because the
decks are more likely to flex than the house sides. That's why we find so
many vee berth mattresses that are all water stained and rotted out on the
bottom. And it explains, too, why chain plates that go through the deck
are impossible to seal. Apparently it's Poseidon's Law that you can't seal
anything that moves.
26 Formula
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I saved the following photos for
last because they're in color and will probably take forever to
download. This is the 26 Formula mentioned earlier. It has the same
long windows supporting the deck as the SeaRay above, but the water
damage is so extensive it shows up on film.
Notice the badly stained upholstered panels or
valences above and below the window. Even the hatch (above right)
leaked so much that it rotted the furring strips for the headliner
which is falling down. Kinda like the headliners in GM cars. Nice
work, folks. The interior on this 8 year old boat was completely
destroyed by leaks. Walking on the deck of this boat was like
walking on a mattress. Ah, well, it's only money. About $70K worth.
Never mind that it financially ruined the owner. Why should the good
folks at Thunderbird Industries care? |
So unless you don't mind throwing your hard earned dollars down the
drain, look closely before you leap. The problem of leaky windows is more
than merely skin deep. it's usually a sign of a boat that is not well
engineered - if it has any engineering at all.
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Here's the coup de gras that
prompted me to write this article with more than a touch of disdain.
What you're looking at here is a TWO PART, INWARD OPENING DOOR on
our lovely 26 Formula.
That's right, inward opening. What kind of
ignoramus does it take to put an inward opening door on a boat? What
kind of fool doesn't know that such a door can't possible keep the
water out? If this is the way they do the things that you can see,
imagine what the hidden parts are like! If they can't design a door,
how's the hull? In a word, BAD. |
First posted on October 8, 1997 at David Pascoe's
site: www.yachtsurvey.com.
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Last reviewed 11/28/98
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